Race Fuel sticker shock

[Vance]

Whipper you do realize that gasoline here in the states is taxed higher than anything else that is taxable. The price at the pump is probably 40% taxes. You cant blame that on oil and gas companies. I would imagine the tax rate is higher in Canada.

The amount of investment it takes to get oil out of a formation in the ground to the gas tank in ur truck is huge.

Keystone XL is a proposed pipeline running from Canada to Houston. The delays on that project alone this year has cost TransCanada 300 million paid to contractors who have never welded a single joint of pipe. Not counting the 1400 miles of pipe we have sitting in a pipe yard in South Dakota. I'm replacing 2500' of pipe in Louisiana because someone built a church nor far from our pipeline right of way. 2 million bucks to replace 2500' of pipe.

I guess because I see every day the amount of money that it takes to operate an oil company the pump price seems acceptable to me.

 

[Dave Hensley]

So Whip I have one question for you. If your next-door neighbor wants to hire you out for $20CDN per hour, and a person across town is willing to hire you out for $50CDN per hour, and you sell your services to the higher bidder, are you corrupt? Or are you embodying in your decision process the essence of capitalism? That is, allocating resources in such a way as to maximise overall happiness for both parties?

That practice can only last as long as somebody can pay. The problem with your model/theory is that the playing field is level and all goods and services are likewise able to be served. That is not the case. The oil companies and the politicians they have bought and paid for are lining their pockets while we tread water trying to protect the standard of living we are accustomed to. Capitalism only works if the market is free of impediments at all levels. It isn't.

 

[allimax]

How's 28 mpg unloaded and 19mpg towing a 7k lb load sound?

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1403_2014_ram_1500_ecodiesel_vs_2500_sibling_rivalry/

Thanks for posting, I hadn't seen that and a good comparison for those of us not hauling Bobcats & backhoes around. I really think a diesel is the way to go and I think they're really getting it right this time unlike in the 70's. I've been real interested in this half ton also.
I've had the opportunity to drive a new TDI Passat a few good distances here lately since my son purchased it. I'm impressed, 45mpg has happened but more important is how much power it has. These are not the diesels of yesterday, the torque curve to the transmission is so well tuned your barely on the gas peddle (diesel peddle?) and it just goes. Need to cruse the hi-way at 80, no problem, oh no a big, long hill coming up, dang thing didn't slow or even have to downshift, just torqued right on up it and with very little gas peddle adjustment. Merging into traffic wasn't a issue at all.
Neil, when you get a test drive on one of these new trucks, fill me in, I'd like to here.

 

[Alli-drenaline Rush]

That practice can only last as long as somebody can pay. The problem with your model/theory is that the playing field is level and all goods and services are likewise able to be served. That is not the case. The oil companies and the politicians they have bought and paid for are lining their pockets while we tread water trying to protect the standard of living we are accustomed to. Capitalism only works if the market is free of impediments at all levels. It isn't.

Dave - oil company profit margin is below that of Ford Motor Company, Apple:

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/20/big-oil-isnt-as-profitable-as-everyone-thinks/

Funeral homes, software publishers, credit intermediaries, etc etc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2011/10/21/991/

 

[Alli-drenaline Rush]

It 's not just race fuel, the dollar isn't worth anything and mean while every body has there nose in there smart phone, while the politicians help them selves. Just look at the price on that truck as tested 55K

Better buy that truck now before the impact of King Obamas' edict to increase the CAFE standard to 54.5 mpg by 2025 makes its way into new truck costs.

 

[Dave Hensley]

Dave - oil company profit margin is below that of Ford Motor Company, Apple:

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/20/big-oil-isnt-as-profitable-as-everyone-thinks/

Funeral homes, software publishers, credit intermediaries, etc etc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2011/10/21/991/

Capitalism in it's purist form is brutal. The weak do not survive. When you prop up one sector while others run rampant, as is true today, somebody pays the price. Take your pick, car companies with bailouts, financial institutions with bailouts, oil companies with de facto monopolies, fruit stands, drug stores, funeral homes... Whatever. If the scale is tipped in any direction by self serving entities, the consumer pays..... and pays.....and pays.

 

[GotMyAlly]

Thats not free market capitalism when the gov is picking winners and losers. That's socialism.....
Take the bureaucrats out and let the consumers drive the market.

 

[Alli-drenaline Rush]

Capitalism in it's purist form is brutal. The weak do not survive. When you prop up one sector while others run rampant, as is true today, somebody pays the price. Take your pick, car companies with bailouts, financial institutions with bailouts, oil companies with de facto monopolies, fruit stands, drug stores, funeral homes... Whatever. If the scale is tipped in any direction by self serving entities, the consumer pays..... and pays.....and pays.

Dave - you are absolutely correct that capitalism in its purest form is brutal, and that the weak do not survive. Witness the slow death of mom-and-pop stores in small-town America.... they would not / could not offer the level of service that would maximize "happiness" for the consumer, and so somebody connected with those consumers in a basic way - Sam Walton. Unfortunately, capitalism unchecked does produce things like Love Canal where costs and benefits are dis-connected. Nobody wants that.... but what we've evolved to as a nation is more like fascism - state support of business - and a corrupt form it is, where existing business uses the power of the State to regulate and to erect barriers to entry to protect existing business..... or to help improve their profits (i.e. the incandescent bulb travesty)....

And be careful when you indict "self-serving" entities. Almost everyone on the planet acts in self-serving ways, else mom-and-pops wouldn't be a dying breed. And that self-serving programming means that nobody is going to pay us $100,000 per year to sit on our can whilst charging us $1/gallon for a boutique fuel. If we want to play, we gotta pay. Otherwise, we can either quit boating or start our own oil company to supply our needs.

 

[spenccj1]

How's 28 mpg unloaded and 19mpg towing a 7k lb load sound?

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/1403_2014_ram_1500_ecodiesel_vs_2500_sibling_rivalry/

If the new 1500 has any shape form or fashion of EPA BS they put into the 6.7's I'd stay with that hemi and for their fuel mileage estimates, I'd want to see it to believe it. That said I'm a dodge fan but when I stepped from the 5.9 to the 6.7 it cost an additional 5k to totally delete it where it performs like it should. And get this, it increased the mileage 10 mpg taking off that BS. Venting, the good days really are over for good. Without the deletes on a 6.7 I found it totally useless for what it's intended for. No way it would I still be driving it today if I hadn't deleted.

 

[GotMyAlly]

Almost everyone on the planet acts in self-serving ways

Even the politicians, regardless of what comes outta their mouths!

 

[LakeAnna]

Even the politicians, regardless of what comes outta their mouths!

You got that right!:cuss

 

[whipper]

Whipper you do realize that gasoline here in the states is taxed higher than anything else that is taxable. The price at the pump is probably 40% taxes. You cant blame that on oil and gas companies. I would imagine the tax rate is higher in Canada.

The amount of investment it takes to get oil out of a formation in the ground to the gas tank in ur truck is huge.

Keystone XL is a proposed pipeline running from Canada to Houston. The delays on that project alone this year has cost TransCanada 300 million paid to contractors who have never welded a single joint of pipe. Not counting the 1400 miles of pipe we have sitting in a pipe yard in South Dakota. I'm replacing 2500' of pipe in Louisiana because someone built a church nor far from our pipeline right of way. 2 million bucks to replace 2500' of pipe.

I guess because I see every day the amount of money that it takes to operate an oil company the pump price seems acceptable to me.

Thanks and yes im well aware of the reasons gas is high. im also well aware it could be lower. Since its an esentual service it would be nice if they just nocked it down so every were was paying the same. There are some stations that charge more and pay the same as the guy down the road who charges less. But acording to the {experts} we are still paying record high prices without record high oil. In the mean time i dont see oil companies proffits reflecting anything but quarter after quarter record highs. And yes taxes are rediculious on gas as they are on everything else in Canada. 14+% on pretty much anything you buy at any store. That goes for trucks also. The govt Takes 40-50% of my wadge also and i dont see much in the way its being spent around my parts. only the big citys.

 

[Dave Hensley]

"And be careful when you indict "self-serving" entities. Almost everyone on the planet acts in self-serving ways, else mom-and-pops wouldn't be a dying breed. And that self-serving programming means that nobody is going to pay us $100,000 per year to sit on our can whilst charging us $1/gallon for a boutique fuel. If we want to play, we gotta pay. Otherwise, we can either quit boating or start our own oil company to supply our needs."

Yep. Thus the poop sandwich analogy. I wish alcohol wasn't so ornery to deal with or I would be running it. I think my original fix is my path forward. 200 EFI on the XR2002 and pump gas. 100 mph still attainable, fast enough for a casual squirt. Save the big guns for occasional use or shop ornaments. Problem now is 93 pure gas was $4.26 yesterday. Up $.50 in a week. Geesh.

 

[whipper]

Just over $8 a gal 91 octane hear today. You guys in the states pay less taxes on your income,can right off the interest on your house and pay half what we do for gas. So I would be thankful because we are slowly getting poorer every year because of the {world} economy. Thats why the #2 in GDP industry in Canada might surprise some people. Its even bigger than oil....Its drugs. no one can make it without being a criminal these days I guess? :big grin http://www.canada.com/cowichanvalleycitizen/news/story.html?id=5d954570-829d-4820-9c8a-67d7deb77478

Dave Im in for the boot leg thing. It worked before in times like these it will work again. Ill get some Canadian Whisky shipped down and lets roll like the politicians do. haha

 

[GotMyAlly]

Just over $8 a gal 91 octane hear today. You guys in the states pay less taxes on your income,can right off the interest on your house and pay half what we do for gas.

Not for long if the current group of politicians in the white house, most of the ones in congress, and all of the unelected policy makers get there way! :beating dead horse

 

[GotMyAlly]

If the new 1500 has any shape form or fashion of EPA BS they put into the 6.7's I'd stay with that hemi and for their fuel mileage estimates, I'd want to see it to believe it. That said I'm a dodge fan but when I stepped from the 5.9 to the 6.7 it cost an additional 5k to totally delete it where it performs like it should. And get this, it increased the mileage 10 mpg taking off that BS. Venting, the good days really are over for good. Without the deletes on a 6.7 I found it totally useless for what it's intended for. No way it would I still be driving it today if I hadn't deleted.

All of the supposedly independant reviews backed up the MPG claims of the VM Motori diesel, but I understand that even the magazine reviews can be biased.

My hemi did pretty good unloaded when it could drop to 4 cyl., but put a load behind it or drive it like you stole it and it takes fuel to feed all 8 cylinders. Once I replaced the factory tires with something other than car tires, the 4 cyl. option is pretty much useless unless you run unloaded and set the cruise at 5 mph under the speed limit all the time. Part of that is my fault for buying one with 3.55 gears though. I had 3.92's in my last 2 and they did better in the city, better loaded, and just the same on the highway. I didn't have the option to order this truck and had to take what I could find on the lot, or it would have gotten 3.92 gears too. But my point behind that whole rant is that I would bet the diesel would be less impacted by load, tire size, gear, etc. Probably more consistent gas mileage all around. Should be, with that flat torque curve, anyway.

 

[randybob]

Just over $8 a gal 91 octane hear today. You guys in the states pay less taxes on your income,can right off the interest on your house and pay half what we do for gas. So I would be thankful because we are slowly getting poorer every year because of the {world} economy. Thats why the #2 in GDP industry in Canada might surprise some people. Its even bigger than oil....Its drugs. no one can make it without being a criminal these days I guess? :big grin http://www.canada.com/cowichanvalleycitizen/news/story.html?id=5d954570-829d-4820-9c8a-67d7deb77478

Dave Im in for the boot leg thing. It worked before in times like these it will work again. Ill get some Canadian Whisky shipped down and lets roll like the politicians do. haha

could be a good time to pack your sh!+ and head south where the men are men and the sheep are scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LakeAnna]

could be a good time to pack your sh!+ and head south where the men are men and the sheep are scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:big grin

Bring the boat James... Cheap gas and women what's not to like.

 

[whipper]

You guys got me dreaming hard now!! Still 36 inches of ice on the lakes and the women all are still wearing long warm coats!!:big grin In not sure I would know what to do in 70-100 deg weather and year round boating. I may have a mental break up or down. Either way it might be better.

 

[Dave Hensley]

Just over $8 a gal 91 octane hear today. You guys in the states pay less taxes on your income,can right off the interest on your house and pay half what we do for gas. So I would be thankful because we are slowly getting poorer every year because of the {world} economy. Thats why the #2 in GDP industry in Canada might surprise some people. Its even bigger than oil....Its drugs. no one can make it without being a criminal these days I guess? :big grin http://www.canada.com/cowichanvalleycitizen/news/story.html?id=5d954570-829d-4820-9c8a-67d7deb77478

Dave Im in for the boot leg thing. It worked before in times like these it will work again. Ill get some Canadian Whisky shipped down and lets roll like the politicians do. haha

Whipper my man, in Tennessee we make our own liquor....